[Sidefx-houdini-list] i7 or dual Xeons

Olivier Jeannel facialdeluxe at gmail.com
Mon Oct 24 09:14:55 EDT 2016


For the Workstation I asked for GTX1080 Founder edtion. But do you
 recommend water cooling ?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.animator at gmail.com>
wrote:

> for 3k EUR you can build fantastic i7 6900K, great all in one liquid
> cooling, OC it and then ton of RAM, case, PSU everything.
> And then you can stick 4 GPUs as big as you want :)
>
> In HP stations you are limited with size and number of GPUs to start with,
> not to mention that this custom one will be better.
>
> Point being is not only that Xeons are a lot more expensive but also i7
> OCed are better perfomance wise on a lot more things.
> Now ofc if you are primarily doing simulations aor CPU rendering then sure
> I can see where Xeons could be better option, bhut evrey day workstation
> plus GPU rendering.. .i7 all the way
>>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Zoran Arizanovic <
> zoran.arizanovic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > for my money get refurbished z800 stick as good gpus in you can afford
> and
> > stick in as much ram as you can
> > in this time that seems to me the best option
> > also refurbished z840 are in EU app 3k euros new is almost 6K
> >
> >
> > Zoran Arizanovic
> > LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/zoran-arizanovic/4/177/295>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Olivier Jeannel <facialdeluxe at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Alright,
> > >
> > > So I have both opposite opinions about CPUs :/
> > >
> > > I come from an HP Z620, dual proc 64Gb and a TitanZ.
> > > I wanted to go the Z840 route but as they are ultra pricey and since I
> > > learnt 2 TitanX would barelly fit in, I found a (serious) builder
> > > http://shop.carri.com/89-cao
> > >
> > > I need a competent builder not too far from my home/desk in case of
> > > problem. I recently burnt my Z620 mother board and dealing with online
> > > repair service in the middle of a prod is a nightmare I don't want to
> > live
> > > again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Cristobal Infante <cgcris at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > For houdini dual xeons no doubt about that. Have a look at the dell
> > > > precision T7610, 7810 or T7910.
> > > >
> > > > I think they all come with dual cpu boards, so you can upgrade later
> > > > (double check that).
> > > >
> > > > You can get good price for them on dell outlet, or even ebay with
> dell
> > > > warranty. They allow 3 gpus, and have a 1300w PSU.
> > > >
> > > > Best thing about them is that they are SUPER silent, which is so
> > > important
> > > > for me at least.
> > > >
> > > > Don't waste time and money building a pc unless it's something you
> > enjoy
> > > > doing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 24 October 2016 at 11:05, Adam Tween <adam at bigheadgames.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes really. I've a dual 2.4ghz Xeon (32 cores) with 128GB RAM and
> > dual
> > > > > Titan Blacks. The RAM and second Titan are the best things about
> it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Single core ops are the pits (3% CPU usage, think about that)
> unless
> > > you
> > > > > have a lot of other things to do in the background in which case it
> > can
> > > > be
> > > > > a blessing - but not really a $4k blessing (a second i7 would be
> > > handier
> > > > if
> > > > > you have space). A LOT of things (inc in Houdini) are still single
> > > core.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm doing different work to what I was doing back when I bought
> that
> > > > > machine (I just work on an i7 now as I moved overseas, old box is
> on
> > a
> > > > > shelf at my parent's). I found GPU accel sims were a beautiful
> thing
> > > but
> > > > > not all sims are OpenCL accelerated so even that's a juggling act.
> > > Forget
> > > > > Tesla, get Titans or Ti's and RAM, both system and GPU. Excess
> system
> > > RAM
> > > > > has saved my skin more than anything else during pinch points over
> > the
> > > > > years.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2 cents from the dark side :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 5:33 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
> > > mirkoj.animator at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure they work great, point is for someone that is buying new
> > > > workstation
> > > > > > now they are really not good choice :)
> > > > > > ᐧ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Zoran Arizanovic <
> > > > > > zoran.arizanovic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> i am satisfied with them and RS
> > > > > >> its not the newest gear but works for me
> > > > > >> sorry cant share scenes as they are huge
> > > > > >> I think on RS forum there is some benchmark scene
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Zoran Arizanovic
> > > > > >> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/
> zoran-arizanovic/4/177/295>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
> > > > > >> mirkoj.animator at gmail.com>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> "i have hp z800
> > > > > >>> 72gb ram
> > > > > >>> dual xeon old ones
> > > > > >>> and quadro4000+tesla k40 in"
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Quadro and Tesla are BAD choice for Redshift.
> > > > > >>> Price vs performance is really really bad.
> > > > > >>> Any newer GTX cards will be faster of both of those cards and
> > price
> > > > > wise
> > > > > >>> don't even wan't to go that road :)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If you are able to share any of those scenes to test and
> compare
> > I
> > > > will
> > > > > >>> gladly do it on misc cards :)
> > > > > >>> ᐧ
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Zoran Arizanovic <
> > > > > >>> zoran.arizanovic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> i have hp z800
> > > > > >>>> 72gb ram
> > > > > >>>> dual xeon old ones
> > > > > >>>> and quadro4000+tesla k40 in
> > > > > >>>> for redshift and houdini its amazing speed benefit
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> average 3d scene with GI renders in under 2min per frame
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> https://vimeo.com/180557603
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> sampling like this on mantra I cant get away from less than
> > 30min
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> https://vimeo.com/182658511
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> and volume sim and render on a machine like this is a matter
> of
> > > > > minutes
> > > > > >>>> not hours
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> https://vimeo.com/180051394
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Zoran Arizanovic
> > > > > >>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/
> > zoran-arizanovic/4/177/295>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
> > > > > >>>> mirkoj.animator at gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 6950X is not really good comparison here as their price is
> > simple
> > > > > >>>> extereme
> > > > > >>>>> a bit over board so...
> > > > > >>>>> You can get nice 5930k that will do great job. I havent
> > followed
> > > on
> > > > > >>> 6xxx
> > > > > >>>>> series much honestly but there are great ones from taht
> series
> > as
> > > > > >> well
> > > > > >>>> taht
> > > > > >>>>> will not kill your budget.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> And any i7 with 40 PCI lanes is good to handle 4 GPUs without
> > > > issues.
> > > > > >>>>> Redshift benefits more of faster cores then multiple cores...
> > ofc
> > > > > >> still
> > > > > >>>>> talking about i7 range not i3 CPUs, and in that matter Xeon
> > would
> > > > > >>>> actually
> > > > > >>>>> be worse for Redshift.
> > > > > >>>>> And honestly ton of things are more single core - higher
> speed
> > > > > >>> beneficial
> > > > > >>>>> then multi core slower speeds as you already pointed out.
> > > > > >>>>> So unless he is on Arnold, Vray or similar CPU render
> engine..
> > a
> > > > lot
> > > > > >>> more
> > > > > >>>>> benefits are there from i7 compared to Xeons.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> For example 2 fastest e5-2687W xeons would be terrible choice
> > for
> > > > > >>>> Redshift
> > > > > >>>>> as it have lower clock speeds and ton of cores that wont be
> > used
> > > at
> > > > > >> all
> > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > >>>>> for price of two of them you can get i7 and couple great
> GPUs.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> but even with overboard 6950x tehre is still budget for
> couple
> > > good
> > > > > >>> GPUs,
> > > > > >>>>> compared to xeon route :)
> > > > > >>>>> plus you can OC i7
> > > > > >>>>> plus it handles 4 GPUs with ease :)
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> ᐧ
> > > > > >>>>> CC seeems it went to Robert only, sorry
> > > > > >>>>> ᐧ
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Robert Okker <
> > > > > >>>>> robert.okker at darlings-post.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I think it also depends if you're using other programes as
> > well.
> > > > > >>>>>> Do you use any adobe programs like afx alot (take a single
> > proc
> > > > > >> high
> > > > > >>>>>> clockspeed, because they scale shit with multiprocessor) or
> > > nuke,
> > > > > >>>> arnold.
> > > > > >>>>>> etc.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Don't know how well houdini scales with multicore etc.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> But as for price it isn't that much cheaper.
> > > > > >>>>>> this is a little list i created some weeks ago for our new
> ws.
> > > > > >>>>>> it's in euro's and prices will vary on region but still the
> > > price
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >>> a
> > > > > >>>> 10
> > > > > >>>>>> core i7 is out of order.
> > > > > >>>>>> And even the 8 core is close to 2x dual xeon.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I haven't use red shift but it supposed to scale really good
> > > with
> > > > > >>>>> multiple
> > > > > >>>>>> gpu's
> > > > > >>>>>> For this the xeons have an advantage of having more pci
> lanes
> > > > > >>>> available,
> > > > > >>>>>> so if you want to have a 3rd or fourth GTX card for
> rendering
> > it
> > > > > >>> help's
> > > > > >>>>> ;)
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> proc cores procs clockspeed turbo total clockspeed price
> > Single
> > > > > >> Total
> > > > > >>>>>> price/hrz
> > > > > >>>>>> i7-6950X 10 1 3 30 €1,727.09 €1,727.09 €57.57
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2620 v4 8 2 2.1 3 33.6 €469.00 €938.00 €27.92
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2630 v3 8 2 2.4 3.2 38.4 €710.40 €1,420.80
> > €37.00
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2630 v4 10 2 2.2 3.1 44 €739.46 €1,478.92
> €33.61
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2640 v3 8 2 2.6 3.4 41.6 €1,000.55 €2,001.10
> > > €48.10
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2640 v4 10 2 2.4 3.4 48 €1,000.55 €2,001.10
> > €41.69
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2650 v3 10 2 2.3 46 €1,233.95 €2,467.90 €53.65
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2650 v4 12 2 2.2 52.8 €1,368.36 €2,736.72
> €51.83
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2660 v3 10 2 2.6 52 €1,722.00 €3,444.00 €66.23
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2680 v3 12 2 2.5 60 €1,852.55 €3,705.10 €61.75
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2687W v3 10 2 3.1 62 €2,593.95 €5,187.90
> €83.68
> > > > > >>>>>> Intel Xeon E5-2687W v4 12 2 3 72 €2,401.85 €4,803.70 €66.72
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Robert Okker
> > > > > >>>>>> Owner/Head of VFX
> > > > > >>>>>> Darlings Post productions
> > > > > >>>>>> Tel: + 31(0)20 - 6221900
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Olivier Jeannel <
> > > > > >>>>> facialdeluxe at gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Damn, the message was posted without beeing finished
> > typing...
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> So :
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I'm considering buying a new workstation. kind of 3D
> machine
> > > that
> > > > > >>> will
> > > > > >>>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>>> everything (Sim + render(redshift gpu) )
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> 64 gb
> > > > > >>>>>>> one (or two) gtx 1080
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> But I'm still not fixed on the CPU.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I can have dual xeon 2x10 cores at 2.2 Ghz. They are quite
> > > > > >>> expensive,
> > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>>> the price grows a lot if I take faster xeon.
> > > > > >>>>>>> So I'm thinking of a fast i7 instead.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> What's your opinion ?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Thank you :)
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Olivier Jeannel <
> > > > > >>>>> facialdeluxe at gmail.com
> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Hello there,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> The debate is still the same.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I'm considering buying a new workstation. kind of 3D
> machine
> > > > > >> that
> > > > > >>>> will
> > > > > >>>>>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>>>> everything (Sim + render(redshift gpu) )
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> 64 gb
> > > > > >>>>>>>> one (or two) gtx 1080
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> But I'm still not fixed on the CPU.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I can have dual xeon 2x10 cores at 2.2 Ghz. They are quite
> > > > > >>>> expansive,
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> > > > > >>>>> <http://www.cgfolio.com/mirko-jankovic>*
> > > > > >>>>>
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