[Sidefx-houdini-list] "You can't polish a turd" - was Siggraph & Maya..

craigleehoffman at aol.com craigleehoffman at aol.com
Wed Aug 19 00:04:18 EDT 2009




I apologize for the stupid question marks that keep appearing in my posts.? For some reason webmail.aol.com does this and I am not sure why...



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-----Original Message-----
From: craigleehoffman at aol.com
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Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:55 pm
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There are free utilities written by lone programmers in their spare time that 
support most (maybe all?) of the formats you mention on XP, so my feeling is 
that it isn't that hard.? Generally you don't update the code- folks just 
download new codecs I think.? I could be wrong though- not sure how this 
all?works when coding for multiple Operating Systems.



And all compositing programs I know except for COPs can read a variety of 
standard Movie Formats.? Derivative Inc. supported streaming movie formats in 
real time?in their "Touch" software, which was an offshoot of Houdini.

?

That being said, I would at least suggest supporting Quicktime since most people 
doing film work or video can supply that much easier than a stream of single 
frames and it seems like a fairly ubiquitous professional format across the 
different OS's.



-Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dreitser <keyframe at rogers.com>
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Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Sidefx-houdini-list] "You can't polish a turd" - was Siggraph & 
Maya..




I think the notion of a 'movie file' is what is fundamentally out of place here.

QT, AVI, WMV, FLV, the list goes on and on -- and I would imagine that keeping 
up with all the idiosyncrasies of each flavour, would take a small army of 
developers to keep up with.  In fact, I can't think of a single app that 'just 
reads it all' correctly -- if it existed, i'm sure it would find a great place 
in our collective tool chests.

I don't believe that this apps' place is in the compositing space.  editing 
perhaps?  maybe as a conform tool of sorts?  but not compositing.

just my $0.02.

Best,

G

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Gene Dreitser
Loki Visual Effects
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----- Original Message ----
From: "craigleehoffman at aol.com" <craigleehoffman at aol.com>


And my understanding is that there are pretty standard API's out there
to read movie files as long as you download the codec.  It probably could 
be coded in a very short time (
although I don't know how well it would 
play with COPs caching, etc.).

Maybe there are licensing fees and such that we are not thinking about.

But this is a good example of why it would be great to have such an 
ability in COPs.

-Craig


On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Larry Giunta wrote:

> I think this sounds like a pretty reasonable request that makes a lot
> of sense.
>
> Personally, we just finished a job where we needed 60+ HD footage
> clips mapped onto a bunch of billboard/grids in a 3D environment.
>
> So, we had to first convert all of the movie files to an image
> sequence for import into COPs ........ then we could finally
> converted those image sequences to .rat sequences for texture maps.
> Just one extra step, but across 60 HD clips it adds up.
>
> We're on linux though. I wonder if this can already be done on the
> Mac or Windows version by playing the movie through mplay and
> exporting directly to .rat sequences.
> Is that already doable??
>
> In any event, I do understand the emphasis on dedicating the majority
> of resources to the 3D aspects of t
he package.
> But COPs continues to be an extremely useful part of Houdini and a
> bit of updating (such as supporting industry standard movies) seems
> like it would be worth the effort.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> COPs needs to support industry standard Movie Files and needs some
>> other industry standard filters added
>>
>>
>
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