[Sidefx-houdini-list] bundles or groups

John Coldrick jc at axyzfx.com
Tue Nov 4 08:18:00 EST 2008

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 03:58, Nicholas Pliatsikas wrote:
> Its quite odd as the functionality of groups is there in the bundles
> hscript commands. Its just a real shame that its not quite implemented in
> the ui the same way. It also adds some confusion to how it all works
> together, the fact that people need to ask which to use is a good enough
> incentive to clean this up. Especailly how they do basically the same
> thing, creates "easily" accessable sets of nodes.

	Well, I know that SESI is faced with an issue of backwards compatibility - to 
just make groups go away is a non-starter, this includes all the nicieties 
like Shift-G and a tidy, self-contained group area.  Old hips can't bust.  
This makes is harder to precisely duplicate their behaviour without that 
confusing overlap.  Having said that, there's a solution for everything, it 
just takes time to implement.  One solution could be picking a release and 
saying 'groups are gone, but on loading older hips Houdini will convert them 
to bundles', but that *really* needs to carry over groups GUI.  I find the 
bundles GUI lacking in some things and overdone in others.  Speed should be 
the priority.  The good thing is that there's already a confusing overlap 
with @mygroupbundlename having the same syntax - that could be a boon should 
this ever be implemented.

/pet peeve ON

	I really hope the speed of usage thing is kept in mind, though.  We've been 
hit with a lot of changes in H9 that significantly slow down the GUI(managing 
parameters for obscure features over and over, RMB undo aieee!), we don't 
need more.  More features are good, but implementing them so the user can 
manage less if desired is critical.

/pet peeve OFF



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