[Sidefx-houdini-list] Clear market feedback with RFE

Antoine Durr antoine at floqfx.com
Thu Jan 31 15:35:37 EST 2008

I particularly like the RFE:

   fix all problems, big and small; make Vim more robust

OK, sure! ;-)

I think the whole polls thing is getting way ahead of ourselves.   
Right now, we barely even *talk* (well, write) about RFE ideas.  The  
point is to spur on discussion, not to set policy.  Remember, Houdini  
is *not* open source -- SESI gets to pick what will ultimately be  

Yes, we as users want to get a bit of sway with that list, so an RFE  
forum would at best be a sort of collective voice.  And BTW, all  
these voting bucks, points, leaky sieves, etc. are waaaay overkill.   
Honestly, how hard is it to add one more forum to the sidefx.com  
forums called 'RFEs'?  Who knows, maybe no one contributes and at  
worst, you've got an idle forum.

-- Antoine

On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Robert Magee wrote:

> John
> I really like this one because you find out how many points, how many
> points against and how many voters. The points give you popularity  
> while
> the number of voters shows how many people are interested. For Houdini
> the one thing that I would consider is making sure there are  
> categories
> for the RFE's since different teams at Sidefx focus on different areas
> of the software. It would also be nice if each RFE had a summary like
> the one here but it would be good to have details.
> I know that it is possible to assign polls to threads. Maybe a forum
> format could work. When a new RFE is posted it comes with a poll  
> asking
> for degrees of importance. Then a list like the one you have here  
> posts
> the results of the polls along with the thread title and summary along
> with a link back to the thread. Therefore this list is really just an
> organized way to look at the RFE forum and polls.
> Robert
> John Coldrick wrote:
>> 	Here's a list that speaks for itself.  I sort of consider Houdini  
>> a little
>> bit like Vim - extremely well respected by a lot of very capable  
>> users, but
>> sometimes a little intimidating to new users.  Not to take the  
>> analogy too
>> far, because I think vim can be downright archaic at the best of  
>> times and
>> no-one wants Houdini to be *hard* to learn.  However, look at this  
>> list:
>> http://www.vim.org/sponsor/vote_results.php
>> 	This is from users that were willing to *pay* to vote, not just  
>> anyone.  Look
>> at many of the top entries on the list.  These suggestions would  
>> completely
>> bloat and ruin Vim, removing the things that make it good in the  
>> first place.
>> They're not all bad, but some of the most popular would turn Vim  
>> into Emacs,
>> basically. They are 'most popular requests'.  As Ivan correctly  
>> pointed out -
>> popularity lists amongst users is not the right path to making  
>> software
>> better.  As also pointed out, it doesn't *hurt* to collect
>> information(although all this talk about getting someone to donate  
>> their time
>> comes with a big assumption that someone will take on that  
>> formidible task),
>> but it's disheartening to me to hear all this talk about  
>> popularity contests
>> for RFEs.
>> 	J.C.
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> Robert Magee
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> Side Effects Software Inc.
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