[Sidefx-houdini-list] VFX article

Peter Robbinson probbins at sympatico.ca
Mon Jun 18 11:06:36 EDT 2007

The answer is simple economics Dave, a state sponsored, universal health
care system is cheaper.
The for-profit system current in the United States is the most expensive
health care in the world, and not as effective.

with respect, PeterR

On Mon, 2007-18-06 at 07:42 -0700, Johnson, Dave (Space Technology)
> Dave Johnson reluctantly joins the conversation, saying:
> State supported or union supported health care is not "free" health care. Someone is paying for it. Why should the people of the state pay for your health care costs? And why should the other members of your industry pay, whether they are at your company or not? As a senior experienced artist, if you're not worth $30k more a year to cover those costs, either you're not selling your attributes well enough, or something else is wrong--maybe the company. I'm not directing this to anyone in particular, and I am not saying that you personally are not worth the $30k a year more, Xray, I'm just talking politics here.
> I personally work for a company that is not unionized, and they are able to stay that way by taking good care of their employees, and providing benefits--including health care.
> Dave
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> Subject: Re: [Sidefx-houdini-list] VFX article
> One of the looming issues I can see is that the experienced artists and 
> supervisors who are generally a bit older than the fresh faced youth 
> have the additional overhead of providing health insurance for 
> themselves and their families. As anyone who has tried to get private 
> health insurance can confirm, medical insurance gets outrageously 
> expensive as you get older and add spouses and children. There is simply 
> no way that a head-of-household can compete in the freelance market 
> against recent college grads when the out of pocket insurance costs for 
> a family of four can easily be more than $30k a year. This is where 
> things like portable state supported or union supported health plans 
> could really help level the playing field for freelance CG artists. If a 
> freelancer with a family doesn't have to crack the insurance nut every 
> month that worker might be able to charge less and be more competitive. 
> This is the sort of thing the youngsters and bachelors just don't have 
> to think about when they shit on the union idea.
> -=X
> Andrew D Lyons wrote:
> > http://www.animationguild.org/_Home/home_FRM1.html
> >
> > There is an animation - but not an effects union in the USA. (Another
> > reason why feature animation effects beats live action effects.)
> > Everyone that works at Dreamworks, much of Disney, and a bunch of
> > other 2D places is a member. They tell you to go home after a certain
> > time at DW. I left DW last September but my full family health cover
> > under the union plan doesn't expire until December this year. That's
> > thousands of dollars in saved expenses - and it greatly offsets the
> > initiation fee. There are definitely perks to being in the union. It
> > is possible for any shop to join this union if enough staff sign cards
> > saying they want in. Sony almost became a union shop a year or so
> > ago...
> >
> > Cheers
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