[Sidefx-houdini-list] cloth solver

Jed Schwartz jed at jedschwartz.com
Fri Dec 14 15:47:33 EST 2007

Thanks for the feedback!

We're getting tight on time, I like the sound of Andrew's  
is going to be crucial to responding to the team of Docs that are  
on the shot- I was hoping that the cloth solver might give us a leg  
up on getting
some convincing motion on the tissue colliding with itself etc- It  
seems that
at the end of the day, hand made animation still rules!

Thanks again-!


On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Andrew D Lyons wrote:

> Yep - I spent weeks messing with the cloth solver for some saran-wrap
> shots on "over the hedge". I eventually got some pretty nice results -
> but it always looked like cloth - and we needed taught saran wrap.
> Although it took a little time to set up (but still less that the
> amount of time I spent waiting for poor simulation outcomes) the
> procedural modelling approach gave me the kind of control the director
> wanted. With the rig complete I was able to roll it out to multiple
> shots and finish those in no time. I could iterate with the animation
> in realtime as sups stood over my shoulder. Even if you had a working
> cloth simulator I wonder if you could ever get that level of control
> at that rate of interactivity. I doubt it, and in the future I would
> at least investigate a hybrid system if a fully procedural system was
> not possible.
> Cheers
> On 14/12/2007, John Coldrick <jc at axyzfx.com> wrote:
>> On Friday 14 December 2007 14:41, Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>> i love houdini... really i do... but the cloth isn't up to snuff,  
>>> i'm sure
>>> there just hasn't been enough effort put into to making it a  
>>> solid solver,
>>> you might be able to get decent results using maya nCloth,  
>>> because it has
>>> some nice features for tearing.
>>         Not sure I agree with your first statement.  I have heard  
>> ncloth is very nice
>> though - it might well be better than Houdini's overall in terms  
>> of getting
>> something behaving well very quickly.  I wouldn't completely dismiss
>> Houdini's cloth, though.  We've used it here and gotten some very  
>> nice
>> results with it.
>>> if you're still keen on using houdini, you could try out syflex..  
>>> its the
>>> industry standard for cloth and i think support in houdini is  
>>> pretty good,
>>> although i've never used it.
>>         They haven't been keeping it up.  We bought it back before  
>> cloth in houdini
>> and I never hear from them.  Even if they continue to compile it,  
>> I know it's
>> the old version.
>>> the shot seems like its a one off and while doing it with cloth  
>>> is a cool
>>> approach you may be able to get away with doing it without it,  
>>> like in
>>> chops as andrew suggested.
>>         Yeah, I'd agree with you and Andrew on this.  Sims are  
>> nice, they can handle
>> many things that would take forever to do by hand, but something  
>> as specific
>> as this you want complete control over.  You'll spend all your  
>> time fighting
>> a simulator, otherwise.
>>         Cheers,
>>         J.C.
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