[Sidefx-houdini-list] COP bright broken?

Peter Robbinson probbins at sympatico.ca
Fri Jul 28 11:46:45 EDT 2006


On Fri, 2006-28-07 at 15:33 +0100, louis at realisestudio.com wrote:

> 
> Dudes, lets be clear aboutthis, COPs needs to compete against Nuke, not
> Shake. It's all there for the taking!
> 

Why do you say this Louis?




> 
> > I've sent a number of files off too. And will continue to do so when
> > possible, but we don't do anything very complicated and hit bugs almost
> > immediately very often. It would seem like if Sesi wanted to really test
> > it out themselves they could just take on an intern to sit and set up
> > random comping networks for a month and they would surely uncover a lot
> > of bugs for themselves.... Just a thought.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sidefx-houdini-list-bounces at sidefx.com
> > [mailto:sidefx-houdini-list-bounces at sidefx.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > Simpson
> > Sent: 28 July 2006 14:50
> > To: sidefx-houdini-list at sidefx.com
> > Subject: Re: [Sidefx-houdini-list] COP bright broken?
> >
> >
> > Jed, That makes complete sense!  We've sent countless bugs off and Mark
> > has
> > been fantastic considering the circumstances.
> >
> > However, the situation is still that COP's are borderline useable for us
> > right
> > now.  And COP's are 4+ years old.  What else can I say?  These facts
> > unfortunely speak for themselves...
> >
> >
> > On Friday 28 July 2006 2:33 pm, Jed Schwartz wrote:
> >> I think I started this thread and I agree and with every point you
> >> make here.
> >>
> >> But... In the hope of being positive and proactive in our effort to
> >> get what many of us are looking for (Stable COPs), I think we need not
> >
> >> just to complain, but use the sesi support pipeline we (or our
> >> bosses) are all paying for, and pump every buggy COP .hip we find into
> >
> >> the support system.
> >>
> >> I sent the bright COP problem .hip to support, Mark looked over the
> >> file and discovered that the problem was in the way frame range
> >> behaves in the latest release. I know its a small thing, but at  3AM
> >> when your trying to finish up a shot to make deadline its always the
> >> little things that get us!
> >>
> >>  From Mark"
> >>
> >> "Any COP is *supposed* to automatically extend its frame range to
> >> accommodate larger keyframe animations - I guess this is not working.
> >> With all the changes to channels and parms in 8, I can't say I'm
> >> entirely surprised."
> >>
> >> Mark's quick response  reminded me that  sesi does care about  this
> >> issue and without our problem .hips it will probably take the
> >> developers much longer to get COPs in working order-
> >>
> >> btw, you do not need to include source images, a lot can be gleaned
> >> from the raw .hip which as we all know if really easy to blast off to
> >> support-
> >>
> >> Hope this makes sense!
> >>
> >> Jed-
> >>
> >> On Jul 28, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Paul Simpson wrote:
> >> > Add many years of screams from Realise too.  COP's is in an
> >> > absolutely abysmal state right now.  We find ourselves running COP's
> >
> >> > on Houdini 7 just in order
> >> > to get some semblance of stability.
> >> >
> >> > The thing I just dont understand is that even the most basic things
> >> > aren't seeming to work.  So a simple comp with some colour
> >> > correction, roto splines,
> >> > witha few layers and you're into a world of pain.
> >> >
> >> > We have wasted countless hours trying to workaround all the issues.
> >
> >> > We just need COPs to be STABLE!  I'd forgo lots of new fancy
> >> > cosmetic features in
> >> > Houdini 9 just to get a compositor that works.  COP's have been
> >> > around for
> >> > years now - it really is up to Sesi to get this working - and test
> >> > themselves.  I'm tired of "beta" testing a 4+ year old part of the
> >> > system
> >> > that should be mature by now.  Especially after all the hype we
> >> > were fed...
> >> >
> >> > COP's is vitally important to us, and it's obviously been put on the
> >
> >> > back burner at Sesi for way too long...  As a long time Houdini
> >> > advocate, I must
> >> > say I'm extremely disappointed with the whole episode...  Not upto
> >> > Sesi's
> >> > usual high QA standards.
> >> >
> >> > On Wednesday 26 July 2006 4:10 pm, Simon Barrick wrote:
> >> >> Yup, add our screams if H8.1 hasn't fixed all the issues, haven't
> >> >> tried it yet and was reallying hoping it was going to be the
> >> >> answer, but it sounds like it isn't and that definetely sucks.
> >> >> Looks like we'll be sticking to H7 for that too.
> >> >
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