[Sidefx-houdini-list] COP bright broken?

Simon Barrick simon at primalpictures.com
Wed Jul 26 11:56:45 EDT 2006


It's NOT a joking matter, get serious MAN! ;)

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[mailto:sidefx-houdini-list-bounces at sidefx.com] On Behalf Of Louis
	Sent: 26 July 2006 16:50
	To: sidefx-houdini-list at sidefx.com
	Subject: Re: [Sidefx-houdini-list] COP bright broken?
	
	
	jeez, I was joking! You can't say anything on this list!
	
	It drives me mad too, more than mad actually. Now really is a
time when Halo can come out strong as a real alternative besides Nuke.
Obviously though, it needs to work properly. And maybe have a warper and
a tracker and so on.. But yes, I have wanted to throw my monitor out the
window on a couple of occasions, nearly did too.
	
	Simon Barrick wrote: 

		Well I've seen stuff in the change logs that claims to
have fixed an issue where cops was constantly re-reading off disk any
file cops. That was really killing us, couldn't find any memory cache
settings that would fix it. So if this is fixed and Cops is as fast in
H8.1 as H7 then cool. But if not its just not workable. Simple networks
with a few file cops in them can take up to 10 minutes just to play
through one displayed file cop reading no more than a couple of 100
frames. I know that's negative but its the truth. If this is fixed then
yippee! but it sounds like maybe it isn't...  which is worrying. But I
haven't tried the lastest cut yet, so I'm not screaming til I see it,
but if I see it i'll send something off so they can fix it.
		 

			-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sidefx-houdini-list-bounces at sidefx.com] On Behalf Of Louis
			Sent: 26 July 2006 16:23
			To: sidefx-houdini-list at sidefx.com
			Subject: Re: [Sidefx-houdini-list] COP bright
broken?
			
			
			Oh come on, you're just being negative!
			
			Simon Barrick wrote: 

				Yup, add our screams if H8.1 hasn't
fixed all the issues, haven't tried
				it yet and was reallying hoping it was
going to be the answer, but it
				sounds like it isn't and that definetely
sucks. Looks like we'll be
				sticking to H7 for that too.
				Si
				
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[mailto:sidefx-houdini-list-bounces at sidefx.com] On Behalf Of Floyd
				Gillis
				Sent: 26 July 2006 16:09
				To: sidefx-houdini-list at sidefx.com
				Subject: RE: [Sidefx-houdini-list] COP
bright broken?
				
				
				Add my scream.
				
				Have tried the previously posted
recommended settings that are supposed
				to "fix" the compositor, but still feel
like I'm banging two rocks
				together.
				
				Compositing used to be one of my
favorite parts of a production.  It was
				highly interactive, and extremely
rewarding to finally see all your
				elements come together, yet still have
so much creative control to
				change and finesse the look of
everything... on-the-fly... with a
				deadline looming.
				
				There is something seriously wrong with
the compositor... it has become
				unusable as a truly interactive creative
tool.  I don't know if its
				memory management issues, disk access
issues, file management issues,
				image format issues, or what, but (what
used to be) a simple network can
				bring it to its knees.  It seems to be
going off and wasting an
				incredible amount of time for the
simplest things... like picking an
				undisplayed tile, or deleting a tile
that's not even connected to the
				network.  If I didn't know better I'd
say it keeps going back to disk
				and re-reading every referenced image
file whenever you update
				something.  Whatever it's doing, it's
too much overhead and it
				interferes with the proper functioning
of the software.
				
				I'm currently running h8.1.655, and
because of the frustration, I've
				given up on its compositor.  I go back
to h7.0.555... and the
				"joy-of-comping" returns.  It's fast and
"fun" to use.  This is probably
				the most frustrating part... if I hadn't
used the software in the past,
				and didn't know how it "should" operate,
I would probably accept its
				current state as normal.  After all, it
is doing a lot of complex
				processing on a lot of files.  But when
I have on older version of the
				same software I have to keep switching
back to in order to work
				efficiently... that sucks.
				
				Compositing is a major part of any
production.  The Houdini compositor
				IS GREAT and I love(ed) using it.
Something's broken.  Fix it.
				
				My 2 cents.
				
				Floyd
				
				
				P.S. Most of my work is done at NTSC
resolution with 8 bit per channel
				images... probably the least taxing
format people are still using.  The
				compositor bogs down even when working
with 1/2 res images.
				
				   
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				I'd like to see a concerted screaming
match with Sidefx by the user
				    

				base, to put more resources towards the
compositor. We can have all the
				bells and whistles we like in the rest
of Houdini, but pay day comes out
				of the composit.
				
				PeterR
				
				
	
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