[Sidefx-houdini-list] houdini crashes...

Jed Schwartz jed at jedschwartz.com
Sat Jan 7 19:43:20 EST 2006

Thanks Peter-

It's got to be a nightmare for any software development Co. to  
address all the various system configurations and flavors out there..  
Hopefully we are approaching a time where some level of  
standardization will kick in--
For the shot term it would help if SESI would post the known major  
bugs and compatibility issues along with a clear explanation of the  
workarounds etc. on the sidex site--



On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Peter Bowmar wrote:

> Hey Jed,
>      COPs got a couple of big bugs fixed, and I just discovered this:
> Using Nvidia drivers 7676 (Linux, OpenSUSE 10) and turning OFF
> fragment shaders plus setting RGB Component Display to Software
> Grayscale has pretty much removed all my problems. I'm a cheapo FX
> 5200 card, and it works great now. 8 is quite stable at least from a
> graphics standpoint.
>     Unfortunately, a lot of problems with Houdini are OpenGL related.
> Other apps just don't use GL as heavily so don't suffer as much from
> driver and card issues.
> Cheers,
> Peter B
> On 07/01/06, Jed Schwartz <jed at jedschwartz.com> wrote:
>> I've got to chime in on this-
>> I'm just restarting a composite I've been working on for the
>> afternoon for the 4th time- No I haven't lost anything critical but
>> the time it has taken to re-start several times. I save religiously
>> because I know houdini is going to crash sometime in the corse of
>> tweaking a ramp or running mplay..
>> I find this to be totally unacceptable performance for software the
>> we just recently paid a huge fee to license for another year-  I love
>> this software and truly appreciate the power and flexibility of
>> houdini, but... and its a big BUT, I think its time we all make a lot
>> of noise about stability issues!
>> My studio is very small so I am able to update houdini with the
>> latest builds without much problem, but I'm not seeing any really
>> helpful advances in stability from the latest builds-
>> I think we really need to make some serious noise about this issue-!
>> Rant over- systems up, back to work--
>> Jed-
>> On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:50 AM, John Coldrick wrote:
>>> On Friday 06 January 2006 08:29, Dries wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul and all,
>>>> A rough number: houdini crashes on me at least 2 or 3 times a day.
>>>       I'd consider that unacceptable.  Maybe 5-7 years ago, but not
>>> nowadays.
>>> About all I can suggest is that if you get a higher end graphics
>>> card(like
>>> the FX series), then you'll have zip problems(rather late for that
>>> now, of
>>> course, but perhaps the future).  That's what we're running here.
>>> I'll be
>>> honest, I've completely lost track of the Nvidia series cards,  
>>> they've
>>> splintered so much over the years I'm lost there.  All I do is buy
>>> workstation-level graphics cards, and it seems to be fine for us,
>>> running the
>>> same OS/release as you.
>>>> A guarantee crash for me is when clicking th cross to fetch a
>>>> texmap and
>>>> in the that browser window click on the eye icon to load it up in
>>>> mplay
>>>> first. Always when I swith to my cops desktop, I hit save first.  
>>>> You
>>>> know, I'd rather not do that.
>>>       Absolutely, and you shouldn't have to.  I just tested that to
>>> verify(SUSE
>>> 10/64 bit Intel/FX3600 PCIe) and it works fine.  You running daily
>>> builds or
>>> the last official release?  I'm on 8.0.454.
>>>> The mantra renderer hardly ever causes me problems though. So
>>>> there must
>>>> still be issues with using linux as a workstation. Linux is the
>>>> preferred rendering platform, but athough I was such a linux
>>>> enthousiast, I've come to believe that that community thingy is  
>>>> just
>>>> never going to get me there.
>>>       Well, the most common complaint I've heard is the opposite  
>>> - lots
>>> of windows
>>> Houdini users seem to have more trouble than linux users, and they
>>> complain
>>> quite loudly about it.  Again, all it takes is a bad graphics card/
>>> driver
>>> combination to change one's opinion on this.  That's been the case
>>> with Linux
>>> for years, no question.
>>>       With Linux, yup, you can't just assemble systems with the same
>>> freedom as
>>> Windows, I'll never argue that.  :)  When you go in knowing that,
>>> however,
>>> you'll get the far improved(IMHO) OS and all the benefits.  Here, I
>>> just
>>> avoid the whole nightmare(so far, anyway :) ) and just cough up for
>>> the
>>> higher end cards, although I think many will argue the FX series is
>>> sort of
>>> midrange nowadays, unless you go absolutely top of the series,
>>> which I never
>>> do).
>>>       Cheers,
>>>       J.C.
>>> --
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